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A Clear-Eyed Look at Distributed Teams

A Clear-Eyed Look at Distributed Teams

by Glenn Vanderburg and Maria Gutierrez

In the talk "A Clear-Eyed Look at Distributed Teams" presented at RailsConf 2017, Glenn Vanderburg and Maria Gutierrez share insights and lessons learned from their experiences with distributed engineering teams. They emphasize that while distributed teams can present significant benefits, they also pose unique challenges that require commitment and intentional changes from everyone involved, not just remote workers.

Key Points Discussed:

  • Understanding the Commitment: Starting a distributed team strategy necessitates a genuine commitment from company leadership and all members to ensure its success. Half-hearted efforts can lead to increased challenges and a negative experience.
  • Building Culture: Creating a positive organizational culture is essential and is achievable even with a distributed team. Important aspects include shared goals, mutual respect, and effective communication among team members.
  • Investing in Tools: High-quality tools facilitate better communication and collaboration. It is vital that all employees have access to the same tools and that their needs are accommodated.
  • Reducing Us-vs-Them Mentality: Language matters. Using terms like "distributed" instead of "remote" helps foster equality within the team.
  • Effective Communication: Clear and intentional communication is critical. Teams should adapt their communication strategies to compensate for the lack of informal interactions that occur in co-located environments.
  • Regular Meetings and 1-on-1s: Regular personal interactions, both socially and professionally, can strengthen team bonds and promote trust. Video meetings are particularly recommended over audio-only.
  • Handling Diversity and Flexibility: The talk highlights how distributed teams allow for diverse hiring options, providing flexibility that can enhance employee satisfaction and workforce retention.
  • Planning for Location and Budget: Leaders need to be clear about hiring expectations based on location, budgeting for tools, and office setups, as well as travel for in-person meetings. Understanding legal implications across different regions is essential for smaller businesses.

Conclusions:

Vanderburg and Gutierrez conclude by reaffirming their belief in the advantages of distributed teams, including the ability to draw talent from a wide geographical area and increase employee engagement. They stress that while there are challenges, overcoming these requires commitment, intention, and effective communication strategies.

The presentation offers valuable advice on how to enhance the efficacy of distributed teams while navigating potential pitfalls, with real-life anecdotes showcasing both successes and difficulties faced during their journeys.

RailsConf 2017: A Clear-Eyed Look at Distributed Teams by Glenn Vanderburg & Maria Gutierrez

Distributed teams can have big benefits for both employers and employees. But there are many challenges. Being successful requires changes to work practices, communication, and style — and not just from the remote people. Everyone will experience changes. It helps to be prepared … and most of what we see being written and discussed is focused on remote workers, not the organization that supports them.

In this talk, we will look at the challenges and rewards of working in a distributed team setting based on several years of experience growing large distributed engineering teams.

RailsConf 2017

00:00:11.510 thank you so much for joining us today as we kick off the distributed teams
00:00:17.460 track at railsconf my name is Maria Vera's I am VP of engineering at free
00:00:23.849 agent at free agent for over ten years we've been building accountancy software using Ruby on Rails that puts
00:00:30.599 freelancers and it small businesses in control of their finances our head
00:00:36.600 office is in beautiful Edinburgh Scotland but about 25% of our
00:00:42.210 engineering team works from home in other parts of the UK I'm Glen
00:00:47.340 Vanderburgh I'm VP of engineering at first we use predictive analytics and rails to help real estate agents make
00:00:54.660 more effective use of their marketing time and dollars our company is located in Durham North Carolina but I work from
00:01:00.600 home in Dallas and about one third of our company works remotely the two of us
00:01:06.060 recently spent five years as colleagues helping to manage a large widely distributed software development team at
00:01:13.020 LivingSocial elite building social is started with offices in Washington DC
00:01:18.479 that was our head office but it grew it opened engineering offices in Boulder
00:01:23.490 and Portland but still the majority of the engineering team which grew up to
00:01:28.740 200 people at one point we're working from home from all over the US but also
00:01:34.079 in the UK Mexico Brazil and eventually China India and Australia between us
00:01:41.130 we've been a part of several distributed teams for the past eleven years including today at free agent and first
00:01:47.689 while working together LivingSocial we found that we shared a passion for understanding how to do distributed
00:01:53.579 teams well we're strong advocates of such teams and we both think that the distributed teams we've been a part of
00:01:59.939 have been some of the best teams we've ever experienced but when we say things like that a load of people seem to hear
00:02:07.499 things like this we'll hire some senior engineers and we'll figure it out or distributed teams are just as good as
00:02:14.550 co-located to in exactly the same ways or even it'll be easy so those things are not what we
00:02:22.290 mean when we say that distributed teams had a good idea at a great choice for your business none of those statements
00:02:28.319 are true and they don't have to be true for distributed teams to be a good idea
00:02:34.069 there are also plenty of people who think distributed teams are a bad idea and they make statements like these from
00:02:40.230 executives at Zaarly IBM and Yahoo we also believe that these statements are
00:02:45.450 false and they missed the point that distributed teams have their own distinct kinds of benefits in these
00:02:52.109 cases what we see is a lack of willingness or commitment to do what's needed what needs to be done to succeed
00:02:58.790 and that it's okay if that's the way a company wants to run their business one
00:03:04.079 size doesn't fit for everybody doesn't see it all but today we're going to talk
00:03:09.239 about some of the lessons we've learned over the years we've made a lot of mistakes along the way and but whether
00:03:16.769 you are an engineer a manager or a senior leader in your company we hope this talk will help you to avoid
00:03:23.699 repeating some of those mistakes and we'll help you take advantage of the benefits in distributed teams provide
00:03:29.760 and hopefully avoid the same part of some companies like you who are IBM -
00:03:34.829 and others kind of building a distributed team and then having to take that benefit away if you are an engineer
00:03:41.220 or an individual contributor some of these things might not seem immediately applicable to you but as a remote team
00:03:47.609 member you bear some of the responsibility for making a distributed team successful through your own
00:03:52.620 behavior and you can influence your management and help them understand the challenges they're facing and if you're searching
00:03:59.280 for a new remote position you can ask the right questions to find a team that is set up for success part one make a
00:04:09.629 commitment choosing this path requires commitment half-hearted efforts will
00:04:14.849 result in a worse experience rather than a better one company leadership has to support a distributed team strategy in
00:04:22.139 this section we'll talk about things that will test a team's commitment and show you some of the answers that we've found
00:04:28.060 so that you'll be prepared at the start when you're beginning going down this
00:04:33.160 path along the way as you face challenges and later when the strategy
00:04:39.190 is questioned by new managers executives or investors and you start by investing
00:04:45.460 in the basics and the basics is organizational culture but how do you
00:04:51.280 build company culture when you are not working shoulder-to-shoulder a lot of people as that question a lot of people
00:04:59.050 are very skeptical about this and but distributed teams can also have a great
00:05:04.720 culture it will just be a little bit different the culture has nothing to do
00:05:10.750 with the physical space in the you occupy or who you see it with kind of the space certainly contributes to the
00:05:17.560 team environment but it does not build good culture we have amazing offices a free agent but that doesn't that is not
00:05:25.090 what makes good culture for us you can have the best offices you can have people working shoulder-to-shoulder and
00:05:31.630 still have a very toxic culture so to us culture is all about the people all of
00:05:38.440 you kind of your common goals your common values and also their respect for each other so it's caring about the
00:05:45.280 success of your customers and it's caring about the success of your colleagues and their world view in fact
00:05:52.210 the two companies that have worked with the stronger cultures have fully embraced distributed teams in the case
00:05:58.420 of LivingSocial their culture has furthered lethal agility of a team so
00:06:03.580 most of the people we used to work with are is still in touch every single day supporting and caring for each other
00:06:09.940 long after they've left the company another basic commitment is to invest in
00:06:15.340 the best tools that your company can afford better tools make communications easy some simple things have really big
00:06:22.870 payoffs good computers with quality cameras headsets easy to use communication software for chat video
00:06:29.320 documentation etc start there and then pay attention to how well those tools
00:06:36.729 are making meeting your needs make sure everyone that needs them has access and knows how to use them and
00:06:43.229 help people who are having difficulties if your engineering team has access to slack and JIRA but no one else in the
00:06:50.520 business does it will be difficult for them to collaborate successfully at first and free agent where we work every
00:06:56.940 single person in the company uses the same tools consider that case that cost
00:07:02.159 when making tool choices for example remote paring using SSH and tema T MUX
00:07:08.460 works great for us nerds but it leaves out less technical team members like product managers and designers but a
00:07:15.870 tool like screen hero can be more inclusive you need a critical mass of
00:07:21.990 remote developers if you just have one or two remote people on a larger team that builds friction and resentment that
00:07:29.340 comes from having special snowflakes that get special treatment if you don't have a critical mass of remote people
00:07:35.789 they won't have a sufficient voice in the culture building process what constitutes critical mass is it a
00:07:42.719 quarter of the team a third even a half the proper threshold will vary from team
00:07:47.849 to team and it will actually fluctuate once you've made the important changes in work practices and habits maybe it's
00:07:55.440 not as important to have as many people who are remote but here's the rule as
00:08:00.539 long as the remote team members feel like second-class citizens your balance is off and it doesn't take senior
00:08:08.219 leadership to influence that situation you can start by helping eliminate the us-versus-them attitudes between locals
00:08:15.750 and remotes and terminology is an important part of this the terms remote
00:08:21.479 and local are alienating and emphasize the distance and the difference so we
00:08:27.690 started emphasizing the term distributed which puts people on an evil equal footing some big breakthroughs at
00:08:34.589 LivingSocial came from individual contributors who started adopting this more inclusive language but that's it
00:08:41.010 it's quite helpful to have managers and technical leads as well working full-time from home
00:08:46.800 so one so that management understands the issues firsthand until so that there's not a perceived
00:08:54.130 glass ceiling for remote workers at least it is at least it's very very high because if employees feel that that
00:09:01.420 location is a barrier to their career progression they will live probably when you need them the most
00:09:07.720 so everyone in this picture so blame in dollars event in LA and myself in
00:09:13.300 Scotland I started as engineers and moved into senior leadership positions over the years working full-time from
00:09:20.230 home all over the world but also those in the DC office and the head office like our VP of engineering Ryan Owens
00:09:27.399 work sometimes from home so Ryan used to do a couple of days a week from home and
00:09:32.800 I got this picture from one of the engineering All Hands meetings he was hosting from his home office with his
00:09:39.730 amazing for bobblehead collection it's even more impressive today and I got him to send me a picture just for that's the
00:09:47.050 latest version as of yesterday how that looks like is getting out of control but waiting and or Jesse link another of our
00:09:56.079 directors of engineering who work place as well in our DC office if I used to
00:10:01.630 strategize from home every solvent with us in her cut form as you can see here
00:10:07.839 so but even today when I propose engineers to become team leads big
00:10:14.560 question if that is possible given that the work from home and it should not be
00:10:19.779 an impediment if the right support and commitment is in place for them culture
00:10:25.570 grows through shared experiences that's why it's important for even the office based employees to work from home
00:10:31.899 occasionally especially on days when they have meetings so that they can have the same experience as the home based
00:10:38.020 team members eventually the whole team needs to work in the same style whether
00:10:43.540 they're local or remote and this is another place where individual team members helped to shape the LivingSocial
00:10:49.180 culture by choosing to work in ways that worked for everybody likewise it is important to get the team
00:10:56.740 together face to face but fight the temptation to use that time to maximize
00:11:02.020 productivity it doesn't have to all be fun and aimes either but the best use of face
00:11:07.960 time for a distributed team is to get to know each other better that improves
00:11:13.060 empathy and communication and it makes your team more productive even later
00:11:18.550 when they're apart and finally you cannot treat remote homicide employees
00:11:24.730 equally but you can treat them fairly under study sense so each group will
00:11:29.890 have the perks and challenges that the other group doesn't and as a manager if
00:11:35.740 you are not vigilant that can lead to a partner's kind of usually that means that you need to be aware of practices
00:11:43.330 or policies that are fairly sable one group of employees over the other and try to find the balance but as a team
00:11:50.080 member we see in recent it's important that you also focus on the unique benefits of your situation sometimes we
00:11:57.310 focus more on what we are missing rather than our own privileges and it's
00:12:02.620 important to be aware of the pros and cons of both groups once one of my team
00:12:07.870 members who is based on the test Coast was asked to attend a meeting that began
00:12:12.940 at 7:00 a.m. his time and as the meeting started he made a kind of annoyed
00:12:18.310 comment about having to wake up so early and it was important for him to realize that his commute was from the upstairs
00:12:26.050 bedroom to the basement but some of the people he was meeting with in on the East Coast had had to get up early get
00:12:33.610 dressed put on makeup in some cases brave dc-area traffic in order to get to the office by 9:00 for another meeting
00:12:42.790 that they had already had so it's important that you understand how good
00:12:47.980 you've got it and where the real problems lie and empathize with the other people on the other end of the
00:12:52.990 phone line other examples are for example important decisions it must be made in a setting
00:12:59.380 with all the stakeholders have a voice so lunch time at the local restaurant is
00:13:04.570 probably not the best place to have a strategy meeting or architecture than a
00:13:09.790 review it also doesn't mean that you have to limit the social aspect of a
00:13:15.940 team like just because some people are going to miss some so local employees still should be able
00:13:21.850 to go for lunch together and enjoy the fact that they are together but remote employees can also find ways to engage
00:13:28.870 in social events so at free agent we have Wednesday's remote coffee where a
00:13:34.570 group of people if they're free they just get together have a coffee a drink and they just talk for a while the same
00:13:40.420 but if you were going into the park after work or for lunch and during health and well-being month as well as
00:13:47.050 free agent we have it specific sessions to address the challenges of remote employees and so that they can keep
00:13:53.710 healthy because it's different what they might do is they're at home but if they have to come into the office every day
00:14:00.690 part to communicate intentionally the point here is that on a distributed team
00:14:07.020 communication doesn't just happen by itself look people are great at
00:14:13.210 communicating face-to-face so good that it happens automatically in ways that you might not even notice
00:14:18.580 think about it you notice facial expressions and tense postures or smiles
00:14:24.220 high-fives and other signs of success you notice who's talking together a lot lately or what reference books are
00:14:31.150 appearing on colleagues desks all of a sudden you overhear conversations in the hallway or in the break room and in all
00:14:37.840 of those ways you implicitly pick up on things that are happening in your team and those things don't just happen by
00:14:44.890 themselves on a distributed team you have to compensate in at least two ways you should plan for important changes
00:14:52.180 and decisions to be communicated widely and repeatedly and you should make
00:14:57.430 opportunities for more casual and serendipitous communication to happen through the team that might all sound
00:15:05.080 like just a lot more work that you have to do but the casual implicit
00:15:10.620 communication patterns of a co-located team have their problems too sometimes
00:15:15.940 important decisions leave out crucial stakeholders often they're not communicated as widely or clearly as
00:15:21.940 they need to be and nearly always the rationale and thought process behind the decision gets lost let's face it every
00:15:29.710 team would benefit from being more thoughtful and about their communication patterns and
00:15:35.650 in one respect is fairly obvious white communication is vital because on a support team that's how we get our work
00:15:42.670 done but there's a less obvious reason and it's because communication is how we
00:15:48.280 build trust within a team and without trust a team cannot be successful so
00:15:54.400 Patrick Lencioni identifies absence of trust as a primary problem with
00:15:59.890 dysfunctional teams so when we trust each other we can be both vulnerable
00:16:04.960 with each other and when we are vulnerable we have made our mistakes we ask for help we tap into each other's
00:16:12.340 experiences and skills more easily as well that's why blameless cultures are so important but all this leads ultimately
00:16:20.320 to making better decisions and delivering better solutions for our customers but as importantly when you
00:16:27.760 trust your team you feel accepted and you are more comfortable and ultimately
00:16:33.040 enjoy your work more so as a manager trying to build the cohesive team or as
00:16:39.130 a remote employee kind of most of our efforts should focus around kind of building that trust and Trust is
00:16:45.400 important in several directions so it can be done worse if you are leading a team kind of with the team that you
00:16:50.530 support it should be upwards with your manager or all the leaders in the company but as importantly it should be
00:16:57.010 outwards with your peers and those are not just other engineers is with fears across the whole organization so I spend
00:17:03.700 a lot of time trying to understand kind of what are the problems of the head of sales where are the problems that
00:17:09.010 customer services have what are the problems that marketing has and I try to make sure that I build those
00:17:14.590 relationships and understand those problems every day so regular 1 1 is a good tool for this
00:17:21.760 and an important way to compensate for losing some of that accidental
00:17:27.070 communication the claim was talking about in the office environment with a 1-1 you get a chance to truly get to
00:17:35.020 meet your team mates your manager kind of know more about them kind of the
00:17:40.300 interest aspirations issues and have them light-hearted conversation and we do this because the better you
00:17:48.109 know the people that you are with the easier will be for you to pick up on certain cues are they happy abalone Lee
00:17:55.129 are there spark is anything bothering them and if you are in an office as
00:18:00.710 we're saying you probably get those clues from bumping into them in the kitchen or by the lift but if you don't know
00:18:07.639 about it you won't be able to address those issues and there will be people like you can see here in your team but
00:18:14.690 don't find that easy to proactively reach out to you or others like for
00:18:19.700 example Kent Beck and it's everyone's job not just managers jobs to make sure
00:18:25.309 that everyone in the team is successful so the takeaway here is that out of
00:18:32.389 sight should never be out of mind so we need to make sure that we are present in
00:18:37.730 people's minds hopefully for the right reasons we've talked about committing to good tools but internet-based
00:18:45.139 audio and video tools can be a real challenge it's worth learning the ins and outs of the tools that your team
00:18:51.259 chooses so that you can help meetings to go smoothly you don't want as a remote employee or even just a member of a
00:18:57.950 distributed team you don't want meetings that involve remote employees to seem like a bunch of extra hassle also
00:19:05.330 whenever you can prefer video to audio only conversation one-on-one it conveys
00:19:11.299 so much more personality and helps geographically separated people get to know each other better in meetings
00:19:17.929 especially when several of the participants are in one room video is
00:19:23.029 even more beneficial it helps the remote participants put names to faces and voices just seeing facial expressions
00:19:29.690 and and lip movement makes voice more intelligible over a noisy audio channel and even just seeing who the people in
00:19:36.859 the room are looking at makes the flow of a meeting much easier to grasp and choose the right tool for each situation
00:19:43.580 I think of communication tools is fitting somewhere along three different axes synchronous versus asynchronous low
00:19:52.009 bandwidth versus high as in text to video and persistent versus ephemeral
00:19:57.349 and depend we're a tool fits in that space they should be used for different purposes
00:20:02.780 don't stress about this remember if you choose it it will be the right tool for the job trust David but you know there's no
00:20:10.700 universal rule well I find that when you're exploring ideas ideas that aren't well understood you need people
00:20:16.730 communicating fluidly in real time in other words a video conference or an in-person meeting when asking questions
00:20:24.140 you think others will know the answer to fire off a message in group chat so that you don't interrupt anybody the right
00:20:30.200 person can respond and other people who might benefit from seeing that answer can see it as well and when communicating important
00:20:37.190 decisions use a persistent searchable text-based channel to maximize the threat spread of the message and
00:20:43.610 minimize ambiguity possibly supplemented by a recorded or video announcement
00:20:50.890 different time zones and different work schedules make syncing up for meetings much more difficult time zones are a
00:20:57.890 bigger challenge for a distributed team than sheer distance time overlap on a
00:21:02.960 team is desirable so that communication can be more synchronous when possible try to build teams with compatible time
00:21:09.290 zones at least three to four hours overlap during the work day but even time zones aren't all bad at
00:21:15.260 LivingSocial we benefited from having round-the-clock coverage Maria and others in Europe and Australia saved the
00:21:21.620 sleep of many us engineers when things went wrong during our night time but you
00:21:27.920 should also learn to work in less synchronous ways write stuff down circulate proposals for review solicit
00:21:34.760 feedback and so on getting good at this kind of thing can make your team more effective with less time spent in
00:21:41.270 meetings or blocked waiting on meetings another way of building trust is showing
00:21:48.230 your work so letting people know what you are up to and being good at communicating in writing is very
00:21:54.620 important in distributed teams but being remote doesn't mean that you have to give up stand up retrospectives the most
00:22:02.060 planning meetings there's solutions to run all those things in effective ways
00:22:07.220 in a distributed context and those are great opportunities to really show your
00:22:12.530 purse and kind of share your interest with your team so sometimes unfortunately the
00:22:18.090 tools let us down but don't let them stop you you know get a little bit creative because as they say if there's
00:22:24.360 a will there's a way and you can work around those problems so those team gatherings are really key
00:22:30.660 to building kind of the social aspects of the relationship between team members
00:22:35.730 when they are apart so setup lemon here at LivingSocial was incredible at doing
00:22:41.640 just that Konoe she and others in our team contributed immensely to our culture
00:22:47.190 just by not being afraid of being themselves so demos in our merchants
00:22:52.620 team at LivingSocial came with our a guest DJ's at the beginning and at the
00:22:58.110 end of the demo and really was a big part of keeping all of us up to speed with what everybody was working on but
00:23:04.860 also learning and sharing that knowledge and kind of having fun together on a Friday at the end of the day so if you
00:23:12.120 can do a distributed conference kind of in keynote via hangouts like this you
00:23:17.700 can really do anything and if you are going to showcase your work you can make
00:23:23.940 it memorable as well and fun for everybody part three be clear even if you do
00:23:31.680 everything we've already said it will still cause problems if your team doesn't understand how the distributed
00:23:37.080 team should work if you're a leader it's your job to provide that clarity if you're clear about the goals and plans
00:23:42.840 the team will help you make it work if you are not a leader ask for clarity
00:23:48.300 about these things these are the areas that we've found demand clear expectations set by the team leadership
00:23:55.100 the first is about how work is measured and evaluated one of the good things about distributed teams is that managers
00:24:01.950 have to learn to evaluate productivity based on actual results rather than perceptions of busyness so set clear
00:24:10.260 expectations about how work is measured and evaluated and review those regularly
00:24:15.950 it's also likely that in non fully distributed organizations there will be
00:24:21.750 some positions that require being in the office if that is the case leader as well needs to be very upfront and
00:24:28.559 clear and explicit about it and it might be very senior executive roles or it might be more junior or
00:24:35.700 entry-level positions indications you might decide that you need to have senior engineers in the office to mentor
00:24:42.600 those more junior one because if you know what is the point of asking the more junior people to be in the office
00:24:48.029 if they don't have anybody to learn from or it can be a specific roles that require kind of intense collaboration
00:24:54.600 with other people in the company that are not set up as well for distributed
00:24:59.789 work if most of the business is co-located which is something that is happening in quite a lot of these
00:25:05.009 companies that are starting to embrace distributed it starts with engineering but the rest of the company are not
00:25:10.619 quite ready to work in that way it's important that engineering has a presence in the office so that they can
00:25:17.070 interact with the rest of the business regularly it's also very important and
00:25:23.220 we know that from experience and to know who you can actually hire based on the
00:25:28.799 location so not having a good understanding of different countries and States intellectual property employment
00:25:36.480 and tax laws can get you in trouble down the line this is normally not a big
00:25:41.700 issue for big companies that have the legal departments a big HR department
00:25:47.100 but that can become a problem for a smaller business and quite expensive as well and it can also be flagged as a
00:25:53.340 risk during investment rounds or IPOs so emotional acquisitions here so it's
00:25:59.309 worth doing it but going to look at the recent kind of the implications of
00:26:04.679 bringing people from areas and maybe you haven't hired before the same goes for
00:26:09.960 your budget if you are responsible for the money for the budget for the team you need to have a very clear picture of
00:26:18.119 the cost of having a distributed team so how are you going to budget for the tools it's not the same buying tools for
00:26:25.080 five people but for 200 people kind of what is you're always going to have to be investing the most you can in the
00:26:31.499 best tools that you can so that you can guarantee that communication and it can get expensive so you need to be prepared
00:26:37.570 and what about home office setup are you going to pay for it are you going to pay
00:26:42.789 for co-working spaces there's no that right answer some it's okay to choose no to or to do it but you need to be
00:26:49.690 prepared you have to have a clear message for your team but most importantly travel for face to face a
00:26:56.279 kind of basis of the team and I can get quite expensive it's normally again not a big problem
00:27:01.659 with five people but what happens when you have 200 engineers that need to kind
00:27:06.700 of all get together in a location and you're based in Washington DC or San Francisco where accommodation is
00:27:12.999 extremely expensive so it's important that you plan for for those things budget is normally not a big problem
00:27:19.840 where things go well with a company but what happens when things don't go so
00:27:25.989 well we have unfortunately some experience with that and those are the first areas a business leads to cut
00:27:32.499 costs and that can be very damaging for a distributed team so what I like to do
00:27:38.440 is to manage this a little bit of some tips is to set a clear budget per person
00:27:44.379 to travel to head office a number of times a year so I normally budget at
00:27:49.389 least four four trips more if it's not kind of too expensive to get to the office that budget is allocated to the
00:27:56.950 cost of employing somebody rather than being part of the travel budget so that
00:28:02.409 if then we decide to cut travel budgets that doesn't affect kind of the money
00:28:07.539 that is available to bring those people into the office and so when we hire people remotely we account for that
00:28:13.960 expense as just the cost of hiring somebody also think about your strategy
00:28:19.149 to set salaries depending on location there's no one perfect formula but think
00:28:25.450 about it and decide what works for you I like to have a common bond a across
00:28:30.460 everybody and then have a specific adjustments based on location a for
00:28:36.489 example expensive location like London will pay a premium when a 20% from what
00:28:41.559 we pay in Edinburgh a so that if people happen to move that will happen then
00:28:47.259 they you know what how you can adjust the Sun very accordingly because it's a little
00:28:52.840 bit unfair if your pain a lot more money for somebody in London and then they decide to move to Edinburgh and they
00:28:58.570 keep the same salary and so suddenly you have a team with completely and equal salaries in the same location so it's
00:29:05.200 important to do your homework because people will miss about and they'll miss home and go to other locations and
00:29:11.580 companies finally need to start setting those clear expectations during the recruiting process so that people know
00:29:18.190 what they're signing up for and if you are not in a leadership position what
00:29:24.159 you can do here is when you decide to join a distributed team as some of those
00:29:29.440 questions proactively you may interview process so that you know what you're actually signing up for and we have some
00:29:36.190 examples here so for example you could ask how is performance managed who works
00:29:41.470 from home are there any roles not suitable for working from home are the people other people employed in these
00:29:48.340 same state as me or this country there's my compensation change if I move between
00:29:53.649 states or between countries the what tools work expense for retrospective or team meetings do you actually do those
00:30:00.759 things with remote people how often are you going to want me to travel to the
00:30:06.669 head office or to meet with other team members in person so the key here is to
00:30:11.769 get as much clarity as possible during the interview process so that you know what you're actually signing a fork so
00:30:19.749 we've been talking for a while now about all the challenges you'll face and we've been showing you some of our battle
00:30:25.509 scars but we are fans of distributed teams and we want to close on a more positive note we'll conclude by telling
00:30:32.440 you what we love about this kind of team and what you'll get out of it LivingSocial was able to build an
00:30:38.619 extremely talented team that went from 12 to over 100 engineers in less than a year in large part week because we cast
00:30:46.210 a wide geographic net a distributed team strategy today can be a strategic competitive advantage that's especially
00:30:54.070 true if your company is located outside a tech center but it can also be a big win if you're in a tech center those
00:31:00.879 cities are usually expensive and there's a lot of good a petition for good employees a distributed team can reduce costs even
00:31:08.649 when you factor in travel expenses and increase retention and even in bad times
00:31:14.529 there are silver linings for us at LivingSocial it eased the burden of having to do a big layoff we didn't
00:31:21.730 flood a specific geographic market market with a large group of people with similar skills that made it easier for
00:31:28.840 our team members to find new jobs not to mention that they all had good remote working skills one underappreciated
00:31:36.220 benefit of a distributed team is that it can make organizational change easier once everyone on the team is working in
00:31:42.850 a distributed style it's easier to organize teams more dynamically and fit the team structure to the work for
00:31:50.230 traditional organizations Conway's law here is a constraint for a distributed
00:31:55.299 team it can be a tool you still need to be careful because you don't want to treat employees like interchangeable
00:32:01.600 parts but nevertheless that in organizational flexibility is an advantage and as I said when discussing
00:32:08.320 communication strategies even though that seems like a lot of extra work every team would benefit from thinking
00:32:14.470 hard and being more deliberate about communication patterns the work that a distributed team puts into this can
00:32:20.669 produce improvements throughout the larger organization and finally a
00:32:26.580 distributed team strategy can potentially help you build a more diverse and engage team as long as
00:32:34.090 you're not left handed apparently it is it is not a silver bullet but it can be
00:32:41.710 a powerful tool by removing certain barriers and provide extra flexibility
00:32:47.049 for those that really need it so both our LivingSocial emerge free agent I've seen from surveys and retention figures
00:32:53.799 that remote employees are consistently more engaged with the business we appreciate the flexibility and they see
00:33:00.940 themselves having longer careers here so almost seven years ago and time
00:33:07.690 time really flies so this happened to me and at the time I was commuting every
00:33:13.450 day to the office in Edinburgh after a few months of much nataly's I decided to go back to work
00:33:20.860 and I really really struggle with the fact that I really wasn't expending
00:33:26.020 hardly any time with my little baby so my husband and I considered different
00:33:31.480 options one of them was going part-time but I really enjoyed my career and I
00:33:36.520 wanted to continue working full-time it was then that the opportunity to join LivingSocial engineering team working
00:33:42.610 full-time from home came about so after joining the team I started spending all
00:33:48.670 mornings with Ethan I would drop him at they cared about 1 p.m. in the afternoon and then work eastcoast hours the rest
00:33:56.860 of the day my husband was also at the time working from home and he could pick
00:34:02.020 him up a 5 o'clock when he finished his UK hours and we both doing all that time
00:34:08.140 I'm after today he has managed to spend a very good part of our lives with Ethan
00:34:13.960 and continue developing our careers and I am 100% sure that my career would be
00:34:20.950 in a very very different place today had I not had that opportunity over six
00:34:26.440 years ago and this is applicable not only to mothers by all means it's applicable to anyone that needs that
00:34:34.150 extra flexibility because for example they are the family main carers or they
00:34:39.220 have a disability that prevents them from commuting easily to an office or just working effectively in an office by
00:34:47.200 having the opportunity to work from home by itself it's not enough can we file
00:34:52.630 the commitment of my manager and without the commitment of my peers the rest of
00:34:57.880 the engineers to make it work I am those that were in the same situation could not have been successful so it goes
00:35:05.560 without saying however that when you are working it's important that you give
00:35:11.200 full attention to your work especially with young children you shouldn't be attempting to be doing both things at
00:35:18.280 the same time so when my husband and I are both working we make sure that we have childcare covered but inevitably
00:35:28.720 war work and family will sometimes make that and anyone that has ever worked
00:35:36.350 from home knows the drill I mean show your hands so in my swears a
00:35:44.410 legend Judith and priceless in my first senior leadership meeting my husband
00:35:52.040 decided that it was a very good idea to walk into our home office after the
00:35:57.200 shower in his dressing room so as you can imagine I was kind of
00:36:02.960 mortified but at the same time I was so relieved that he hadn't been any worse than that
00:36:09.790 but you know so don't do that try to avoid it if possible but sometimes
00:36:15.460 mixing things up is just what the team needs - thank you
00:36:21.170 what's your name it's important what do you want to show them what is that my
00:36:29.750 heart I'm daring what does it mean um and they scored that's right yeah so
00:37:00.920 they say sniffing he came home from school one day it was we were doing one
00:37:06.770 of those merch and demos and he had a demo - I know he was so proud of his pictures that he wanted to show to
00:37:12.350 everybody and in bad context it was actually a fun thing for the team to see
00:37:18.140 and kind of gave them a glimpse of my life and who I am and everyone enjoyed
00:37:23.450 it as you can see by the chat a on the side and it really helped those kind of
00:37:28.910 things helps to create a bond kind of within the team it works in the right context so I wouldn't recommend you do
00:37:36.590 it during a board meeting for example and but if it happens just be gracious
00:37:41.970 about it and handle it with with some you know with some fun in the same way
00:37:48.150 just be close kind of my manager and peers had a huge influence in my career
00:37:54.290 every single one of us here has the power to impact positively and more
00:38:00.600 importantly negatively those we work with so don't underestimate the
00:38:06.360 importance that every policy every decision every engagement with each
00:38:11.430 other has on building a company's culture distributed or not so don't
00:38:16.740 leave things to chance this talk was conceived and written and mostly
00:38:21.780 rehearsed remotely from Dallas and Edinburgh and I think we have two or
00:38:27.360 three minutes for questions so the
00:38:35.250 question is you know you want to get the whole team together face-to-face local and remote sometimes but how do you
00:38:43.410 handle sensitive things like having to layoff somebody that would be best done
00:38:48.570 that you really want to do face to face I can take it ok so when we've had some
00:38:56.070 situations like the layoffs LivingSocial yeah we kind of the management team we
00:39:01.350 had to fly into Washington DC more than anything to spend some time with HR and
00:39:06.990 kind of to get some guidance and counseling but obviously we couldn't bring everybody that was going to be
00:39:12.660 impacted by kind of those situations kind of to to the office so we are still
00:39:17.700 there did it we did it through kind of the same way that we do our work every day hang out and I call we try to be
00:39:25.470 sensitive on the time zones so that people wouldn't wait and I start hearing about kind of what's going on and then
00:39:32.190 they're waiting seven hours or eight hours till it gets to them so we try to follow kind of as people we're waking up
00:39:37.920 to make sure that we talked to the people as quickly as possible that we got them energy to hang out and that we
00:39:43.710 were kind of as sensitive and accommodating and trying to be you know as empathetic as possible with them
00:39:51.300 but that is the way that we worked anyway like you know during normal you know a layoff it's a big kind of
00:39:57.360 specific situation but sometimes you have to do as a manager can assume because behavioral issues that you have
00:40:03.510 to address or performance issues and we just make sure that we were all very comfortable with communicating via video
00:40:10.740 and be able to address those things successfully and there's a flipside of that during one early incident an
00:40:18.840 employee had to be let go it wasn't a layoff situation it was being let go further reasons and because of
00:40:25.620 conventional wisdom right the the hiring manager had him fly to DC and he meant
00:40:33.540 well but he said afterwards the employee said I've never lost a job before and
00:40:39.480 now I have to go sit in the airport away from my family and my support system and
00:40:44.930 and travel home having received this news and it would have been better if you'd done it over video my advice is
00:40:53.220 always good people first and really seeing how it impacts them and how can they be best supported when you're going
00:40:59.700 to share some bad news with them one more anyone okay I guess we answered